Dio's Femfight Community Forum

First of all, I think Dio made a great point with his 5 criteria for evaluating a video and its impact on a potential purchase.  An individuals  system for placing weight on each point will vary, but these are the things we look at.

John, you make a great point about levels within the upper levels. I myself am so entrenched and in the end compromised  in my buying habits that all I am really looking for is attraction to one woman. Using Mary-Ann as an example, I buy videos just to watch her perform. FD released a catfight video (FD0002) featuring her against Anastasia. Now, Anastasia is definitely in the bottom tier of  the upper Mendoza Line. She may in fact be straddling the line. But she is a great fighter, and brings out the best in Mary-Ann. I bought the video because of Mary-Ann, it is filed in the Mary-Ann section of my collection, but it is Anastasia who makes it a great Mary-Ann fight. Like Dio, I am also a big fan of Kim-Ly, who can be seen against Anastasia in FD-0099. This video features a great ending, with Kim-Ly trapping Anastasia in a breast smother. This is Kim-Lys go to move, and it is always wonderful, but it is Anastasia that makes this one special as in her desperation she puts her hand between Kim-Lys ass cheeks and probes. The moans of each make this an erotic moment of the highest order.

As far as finding two women of equal attractiveness at the upper end of the scale matched up, to me me, that is rarer than a Big Foot sighting. I have been involved in wine my whole adult life. My job has not just been to determine best from worst, but rather best from second best, and why. At Academy, the only examples I can think of were Janay against Santana and her trilogy against Shayna, but to me all were Janay videos.  There was Bobbie against Karen, but that to me is a Karen video. At Joan Wise, there was Alecia against Rachel, Simone and Sabrina, but in the end, for me, they were all about Alecia.  DWW and FC probably comes closest with Juliana against Sunny. That is as close to a toss-up as I can think of, along with VSLs Ladonna versus Marianna.

Kristie Etzold and Hurricane Havana: I have never understood the appeal of Kristie. She is what I refer to as an in-betweener, neither  competitive in a real, MMA-like or serious grappling setting,  nor competitive in an erotic setting against a real sexual powerhouse. Neither fish nor fowl. She seems to make her living in a rotating league of similar women who take turns performing for whatever company will feature them. The same league that the aging and ever-thickening Venus DeLight and Tori Sinclair inhabit. Ariel X and Dia Zerva land. I now have no videos with her in them. Until about a year ago, I had a Joan Wise video with Alecia Ames against Kristie. I tossed it, despite having until then each and every Alecia video. It was just too upsetting. I find Kristie unwatchable.

Hurricane Havana: I have one video with this woman, topless against Francesca Le in oil. Its not bad. But there must be something I dont know, because two people I greatly respect, SketchArtiste and Diogenes, cannot mention her without going crazy. Both hold her in the lowest possible esteem. I know what I see, but there must be things I dont know.

Antscha: You hit the nail on the head. Hard to dislike, even harder to get excited about. As I like my female fighters well endowed, which I feel gives them a more heroic, somehow Amazonian look, the chest is a problem. She wrestles well , with a seeming unintentional bent towards eroticism, but is short a couple of tools in her tool belt. While she performs with an eye toward the erotic, even in the most intimate moments, it is not achieved, at least for me.

I like seeing Anastasia in action; she has a great body and though she may not be considered as attractive as some due to her rather long face, she is still attractive and sexy; correct me if Im wrong, Ofectau (can I call you O, lol!?) but I think Anastasia works for Foxy Combat as Nicola, where she again features in many excellent matches, often against younger, newer girls who can really give her a hard time; but my favourite at Foxy Combat is Marlies, even more so now as, like Anastasia, she is often matched with younger women, all of whom want to take down the FC legend. Of all of the FC girls Marlies is the one who reminds me most of Hanah in her DWW days, not so much physically as they are quite different though both are gorgeous, but in the way she fights, very determined and with a lot of skill, and the fact that she is not invincible and against the very best she struggles, rather gloriously and delightfully, lol! Recently, sexy Marlies was pitched against  two relatively new Foxes, Ashley and Cindy, with the lovely youngsters looking to score impressive victories over one of Hanahs top fighters, and they did! Marlies, though only 24/25 is now one of FCs oldest women and Hanah has a wonderful knack of finding young, strong, aggressive women to add to her already impressive roster, all of whom want to fight FCs established stars, like Marlies; how long it will be before Marlies decides to quit rather than take more defeats from her younger rivals who knows, but I hope shes around for some time yet!

A few thoughts on the preceding posts in what is turning into an Academy and FC-centric thread (not that I mind):

Redmanx: though not your intention, I think you at once understated Karens hotness and overstated her wrestling abilities, my point being that it is almost impossible to overstate how hot she was, or what a poor wrestler she was. She had one of the most perfect asses God ever gave a woman. I would recognize her ass in a warehouse full of great asses. The only lamer wrestler was Red Richards, who was more likely to hurt herself than any opponent.

John: more than a few people whose opinions I respect did not connect with Janay either. I guess she was an acquired taste. Redmanx went on and on about her wrestling ability. I always found her purposeful and coordinated if not physically strong, but she required a LOT of cooperation to perform in the manner she did. To me, her videos were less wrestling matches (and certainly not fights) than erotic performance pieces. I like breast smothers. The 3 components of a breast smother are 1) the quality of the breasts doing the smothering, 2) the quality of the face being smothered and 3) the attitude of the smotherer towards the smotheree. Two of these 3 components are controlled by the smotherer, and here, to me, Janay was nonpareil. Also, BTW, I think you picked the wrong Roxanne match (they actually wrestled 3 times; the last was for a company out of Santa Clara, Ca. that only produced the one video. I happened upon it in the L.Scott store in SF). Try AX-51. I consider it Janays erotic masterwork.

ArielX: No one tried harder to please her fans. No one took her fans desires more to heart and endeavored to deliver. No one ever fell shorter. She somehow makes me uncomfortable.

FC: you gotta give it up to a company that offers up a different favorite to so many fans. John has his favorite. Redmanx likes Marlies. Diogenes (Tomas) swore by Monica.  Sunny and Sarah have not even been mentioned. I think the sun rises and sets on Juliana. Thats one helluva stable.

One last aside: for years I corresponded with AcademyBruce. We were homeboys, and lived just a few miles apart for years. He once asked me if I thought it would be a good idea to bring some of the girls to the L.Scott store in the Marina for promotional purposes. I replied that it might shake up the neighbors a bit, and in any case, I wouldnt be interested in meeting them.

     When I was a college kid, I would go to Santa Barbara for the Summer Solstice celebration. Great party, great music. Joe Walsh was always there with his local band, Canon and the Perdidos (local joke). Loggins and Messina had broken up a couple years before, and Jim Messina had put out a solo album which I really liked. There he was, sitting on a garbage dumpster drunk off his ass. I approached him and began to tell him how much I enjoyed his new music. He tore into me with imprecision but remarkable vigor, continuing to berate me until he fell backwards and succumbed to stupor.

    Since that time, I have endeavored to keep those whose performances I respect and or enjoy at a distance. This is how I felt about meeting some of the academy girls. The only exceptions I have made are for two of my neighbors, one of whom is a former Cabinet member and the other was played by Al Pacino in a movie.

I dont think you could say Ariel X is unnatractrive, and her boob op certainly made her more sexy; there are plenty of less attractive women in wrestling, both pro and erotic, and also in the porn side which Ariel is probably best known. Im someone who likes to see his favourites lose, or at least be made to suffer for the win, lol, and Ariel X with her skill, strength and power is an ideal opponent for them; my favourites tend to be, in my opinion, more the feminine, sexy, jobber type of female wrestler, ie Cali Logan, Francesca Le, Robin, Kymberly Jane, Tylene Buck, JC Marie. Bobby Boudreau, Hannah, Shayna Steadman and Karen Collins were simply some of the hottest, sexiest women ever, and, apart from the insanely gorgeous Karen Collins, could actually wrestle! Again, my favourite memories of Bobby are the defeats she suffered late in her Academy career, when, while readilly acknowledged as one of the best wrestlers Academy ever had, and still the undisputed Queen there, she lost to two relatively unknowns after giving her all and was humiliated, but, in defeat, and the way in which she accepted it, Bobby was even more sexy and her reputation was enhanced to the status of Legend. Hannah was simply HOT! but I admit she had a selfish, nasty side to her which she allowed to show too often, usually when things were going against her; but, win or lose she looked fabulous! I prefer those matches where she was overwhelmed and beaten, either because her opponent was superior or, more likely, because Hannah her self was having a bad day, lol! Shayna was simply stunning, and in defeat her fabulous body could be seen at its best. Karen Collins couldnt beat an egg, but she had one of the most fabulous bodies and gorgeous looks you would ever see anywhere, and her brave attempts to record a significant win won the hearts of every Academy member. Today, Foxy Combat boasts some of the most incredibly beautiful women around, including Bianca, Marlies and Nicola who have all had their share of victory and defeat, looking their most sexy when losing. For me, the ability to "sell" a defeat convincingly makes the difference between a good match and a great match and, like all the women Ive mentioned, Ariel X has that ability and, due to the fact that she loses so rarely, to me  this enhances her appeal.

Hi John,

The default forum font size should be 12pt when I checked the settings. Everyone's post seem fine in this thread (including your own) but Ofecteu's posts text size seems very small in comparison to everyone else's. I've typed three font sizes in your post to test things and it seems your text is set to 12pt, unless of course you've had to manually do that yourself via the edit post option.

Let me know if you are experiencing continued problems with your posts not appearing in 12pt font size by default and I'll look into it further.

I've done a screen capture for you to show where the 'Hide Edited by' button should be appearing on your 'Edit post' text input screen:

-- Edited by Dionysus on Saturday 6th of October 2012 11:49:58 AM

To my way of thinking, JohnMoog hit the nail on the head as far as Cali Logan. I would only add something my old pal Diogenes (Tomas) once said: she lacks a necessary level of minimal aggression. It is one thing to fight like a woman; it is another to fight like a pre-pubescent girl.

Cali Logan makes her money in the fantasy fighting genre. This is by definition deliberately unreal or as Dio so astutely differentiated in another thread, unrealistic. The difference between Cali and say, Hollywood or Tanya Danielle and Cali is that there is video proof that the two former ladies were capable of stepping outside fantasy and delivering the realistic goods (Rolens Point of No Return [before the absurd boxing segment] and CWs Wrestling Lesson respectively). Cali cannot pull that off, in my opinion.

I first started to buy videos with the advent of VHS technology. There was not anything close to the choices we have today. To me, the best available option was Golden Girls. If you think FC has a great stable of performers, even they would have trouble trying to competing with GG. You can argue content issues for sure, but to my way of thinking, that was the single greatest assemblage of beautiful women ever to (quasi) wrestle. Kim, Elsa, Belinda, Mindy, Sue and my own favorite Stevie were breathtakingly hot. Compare them to any other companys collection of talent: no one since has hit that level.

GGs content is what I would describe as straddling pro style with fantasy with the nod going in the direction of realistic. But just occasionally, there would be body to body moments, such as Kim on top of Pam Ward and the end of a Mindy-Sue match. These moments were off the charts erotic.

The obvious next step in the evolution of erotic wrestling on video was for women of this attraction level to go into one of three directions: that which would be provided by the visionary AcademyBruce, what was going on in SoCal with California Wildcats or by what was being conjured up on the opposite coast by Joan Wise. These 3 schools of production might best be described as 1) steamy, protracted body-to-body struggles,2) straight-up catfights with animosity and aggression and 3) catfights where the goal was extended humiliation usually via face sitting.

But the extreme hotties never made the jump into erotic hyper space. Bruce mined the Brass Rail in Sunnyvale for women such as Hannah, Miko, Karen and Bobbie until the vein was exhausted. Marty and Tricia got B pretty good B level porn stars, and Joan Wise went for exotic dancers. All had some success, and came up with great performers such as the young Tori Sinclair and Alecia. But keeping it real, these women were not GG grade.

Now, its all about content, and micro targets. You want women tapping each other on the pussies with wrenches, Alex Bettinger will hook you up. You want beastly women beating the **** out of each other, Catzreview has you covered. You want tubby middle-aged women taking turns lying on top of one another, APL is your ticket. You want super heroines, you have a multitude of choices.  

But if all you want is the meat and potatoes of really hot women in realistic but erotic wrestling matches, your choices are more limited.

Here's my screen, Dio, which looks different from yours.  As you can also see, in the case of text pasted from Word, my first paragraph's fonts are automatically shrunken.  It can't even be fixed after noticing it in the preview; it must be posted as is and then edited.  Another issue is that my single quotation marks are converted to boxes, which I undid this time before posting. 

You know, I would have pegged Janay's age at about 35 in her glory days. Where you could really tell was when she jump-started Ultimate Surrender. The bloom was off the rose by then.

I know you and Bruce were tight, and he and I wrote each other a lot. He was never very forthcoming with details such as age. All he would ever say about Janay was that the other women were in one of two camps regarding her: that they either never wanted to step on the mats with her, or that they did for the express purpose of breaking her neck. And that she would die alone.

I always have been amazed that 6 miles from where I grew up, a lone black man was revolutionizing erotic wrestling, as JohnMoog has written, giving me exactly what it was that I didn't even know I wanted. To this day, no video has ever had the effect of my first Academy experience (ACA-14). I could not believe my eyes.