Dio's Femfight Community Forum

(Glad you had the decency to do that, SketchArtiste, but you did what you did.) I'm only gonna say somethin' new here to everybody about the WWC and pro fem wrestling in general, inasmuch as it might relate to HH and other pro fem wrestlers that plan to attend (Fantasia, for example).

I have nothin' to do with the WWC, but I can tell everybody right now good as gold pro fem wrestling is not gonna be a major feature of the WWC, or you're gonna see the attenders askin' for their money back faster than a shot o' whiskey down your throat. Personally, I do like an admire the pro women wrestlers a lot, but if they're there, and they do a pro match or two, it'll probably be just to round out the show. I wouldn't attend otherwise, and I venture to say that goes for the vast majority of the potential audience The pro's could--if they do it right--give performances that would be great (and, then again, the opposite might happen). My point is, with this now being the 4th time the WWC will (hopefully) happen, now or next year, this event has matured to the point where the "veteran" and even the new wrestlers--pro, amateur, or both--know what everybody expects, and, with more and more of the cost of the upcoming WWC being paid for by the fans, no wrestler is gonna risk disappointing them. It's a given that the target audience of the pro's is not in the crosshairs of the WWC, period. Relating HH's past conventions to what she has the potential of doing--and, more importantly, would do--at this premier type of convention is useless. The pro's aren't just stuck in that genre. They can--if they want to--be very flexible and adaptable, and that goes for all of the women (14 so far, including HH, whether they're pro, amateur, or both) who are listed as planning to participate.

All the women wrestlers know this.

Actually, if it could be done, I'd like to see genuine topless fem wrestling, as well. (I'll go even further, I think a majority of the WWC audience would, and that should come as no surprise to anybody. Hmmm, ... maybe THAT ought to be polled.) Guess what ??? ... Maybe you would if the morons at the local permit dept. would wake up. Maybe that could change. Like Dr Chin said, HH has already done this (even if it was staged), and, no, I don't think, unlike Jim surmised (which was a good thought to consider, nonetheless) that her position had or has anything to do with low attendance at her previous events.

Seeing a Pro women's match as a kid was my very first experiance with womens wrestling ... and still like seeing the vintage tapes and photos of 50's and 60'd stuff. The current Pro women's stuff sucks except for the Japanese , when the nutty costumes aren't out of control. The Japanese women are light years beyond what I've seen the U.S. women doing.

The Pro stuff these days is all high flying summersaults and **** ...and not much in actually on-the-mat wrestling using holds like in the 'ole days'. With all the crap they wear ; knee pads, elbow pads, shingards, long pants, Herman Munster boots, etc. for all of 7 minutes of running around bouncing off of ropes and doing flips, it's no wonder why there is so little interest in womens pro stuff these days - at least from guys who find FF sexy - because there's nothing sexy about Pro womens wrestling right now.

It's nothing at ll like it was in the 60's ...

   I have to agree with Sketch on Hurricane Havana...but as for not producing what the fans want to see, how would she know?  With the exception of the VSL video (which she didn't produce) she's only done videos for crappy companies before starting on her own . Unfortunately she's not alone in that category.
   I must admit, her pandering for "sponsors" on the old  CWWS turned me off more than the Frankenboobs.

BTW-Are there any good topless competitive/erotic wrestling videos being produced in the U.S. anymore?

Paulzzy, HH didn't engage in pandering for "sponsors" back on Barb's boards. That's buullshiit. She never did that and never would. If she would have, Barb would have kicked her off. (She did kick SketchArtiste's fat ass off, but that was for different reasons). On Barb's boards, all she did was tell everyone her reasons why she disagreed (and what she thought of) those who weren't on the same page with here regarding the Fem-vs-Fem scene.  She validly asked for customer support for her genre of wrestling, that's all.  It wasn't based on lack of knowledge, being unawares of fan tastes, etc. It was just a matter of different sets of values and different judgements. Different strokes for different strokes, that's all, ya' get it ? Yeah, if one's convictions aren't on track and you wanna go into the business world with 'em, the business world will tell you soon enough if what you're doing is going anywhere, but forget about any pandering crap. As far as any good topless competitive/erotic fem wrestling videos being produced in the U.S. anymore, all I can say is yeah there are. Where the hell have you been ? The U.S. video producers are out there; I'm sure any damn good links page will have 'em. You want one ? ... fine. It's based in San Francisco (at least that's where they say their records of compliance are kept.) If this is where your interests lie, go here. (I like its wrestling events--which is plenty enough good and arousing for that--but not its pornography, which I don't wanna see because that part of it is not for me; but those are just my likes/dislikes. Like I said above, different strokes for different folks.) There are others; go find 'em. SketchArtiste, even though it's a given you (and possibly others) won't ever be goin' to any of her events (maybe even any where she's participating), you're way too obsessed with her. First you piss on yourself here by using her as a Big Negative of, and transition from, the WWC, and, recognizing how that conflicts with any info about FightingStyle, you then do what's decent and start a new thread. Yeah, that's good, but as though that weren't good enough, you then felt compelled to duplicate and shift your rant-and-rave to another board. (After one reply to it there, all I did was simply back-link anybody who wanted to know more over here.)You and others have decent reasons for your statements, but you, in particular--as further evidenced by your incessant shiitt-ass name-calling on her--are way too phucked up on personal issues with HH.

-- Edited by Panther100 at 00:43, 2007-04-02

Panthera cracks me up.  I live in San Francisco so I'm very familiar with the blistering ass leaking idotic psychosis of gays who adore straight guys and follow them around on message boards to comment on their every word.  If I fart Panthera will be there to inhale, tell everyone how she thinks it tastes  and what I might have had for lunch. I've never had a TrannyShack groupie before but I think I understand how some stippers feel when  surrounded by limp dick pud pulling combovers that can only sit back and watch them in "...ahhh?" (sp intentional) as they perform on stage.

My comments on HH's boob job are due to her disparaging remarks about women who wrestle topless as well as the men who enjoy watching them.   Most women who talk **** about topless wrestling do so because they're not comfortable with the way they look...and that FrankenBoobed BuckToothed Bleached Blonde Bitch steps to the head of the class in that arena.  I've seen and filmed topless matches that were very entertaining and didn't involve any participant risking a "black eye" or "bruises".  The type of breast squeezing crotch grabbing matchs I've seen don't require the combatants risking injury if it's done correctly. Keep in mind that these matches don't have to follow the Crystal Video "Fighting for Bail" format.  If someone understands what the customer wants to see and works with the women to pull it off, they can produce a fantastic quality of FvsF that's not only entertaining but safe and sound...I've been there and done that so I KNOW it can happen.  If you don't believe me look at DWW's wrestling and then tell me how many women on his roster have black eyes and missing teeth...?

CHHPPSOB SA

Sketch l-ass, if I crack you up, it's because I laugh my guts off busting hitting the high notes when your gunny bag of psychoshiiiiit hits its mark like a dead man shooting spit. Now what are you sayin' ??? You give me your pseudo-deductive psuckosis psychology crap vis-a-vis SF's fruitcake homo's while transferring that to my message board behavior ??? ... Hell, you can't even deduce when a very red-blooded, completely heterosexual American male like me is posting. How the hell you think you can deduce anything else about me means you're certifiably insane. I'm sure as hell not addicted to you. I reply to you when I do because your points are so more often ass-backwards (with some exceptions) that somebody has to tell you to stop screwin' yourself. You think I'm a TrannyShack groupie ??? ... and you're glad you understand how some strippers feel when they're surrounded by limp dick pud pulling combolovers who love to get that jack-off sensation of satisfaction as their highlight for the night ??? ... Really ??? ... I know everytime I answer you you'll always prove no matter how many times you try, you always make like a poker player who wants to up the ante when all she has are joker cards. Sketch l-ass, if you think you want to correlate what the Sat. night strippers do here and derive entertainment from me because you think I can't leave your "spell," because you "think" you "know" how much I "enjoy" it, you're like a lapdog barfing in his own dish while asking the master-the one who knows better (me)--for more food. Even a dog knows when in the hell to stop eating, woman. Like I'm part of your groupie following ??? ... Yeah, r-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght.

Sketch l-ass, thanks for making that crystal for me.

(BTW--on the other board, I said that would be my last post. I meant it, so go ahead and deal your bankrupt hand. I promise I'll let you be the last one off stage.)

... Oh, yeah--you say you've been there and done that.  Fine.  Well, where's your product lately ??? ... Put your stuff where your mouth is, Sketch l-ass.  What's wrong ??? ...  Don't tell me it bombed.

-- Edited by Panther100 at 01:01, 2007-04-09

Panther 100.

 Sorry to break this to you, but HH most certainly would and did look for sponsorship on the old CWWS message board.
  If you use "The Wayback Machine" at www.archive.org  you'll find archived pages from the old site, including the message boards.  Some threads you can open, some (like this one below) you cannot, but the message is pretty clear.

 

Subject	Written By	Posted
Sponsors needed	hurricanehavana	04/06/06 11:16AM
help with DVD's	elvis	04/05/06 03:18PM
Re: help with DVD's	Jvrt	04/06/06 12:41AM
Re: help with DVD's..and a question	Paulzzy	04/07/06 09:05AM

  I remembered this because as you can see I posted to the board the next day.  If I recall correctly she was headed to the NAGA tournament in N.J. and needed sponsors.  
  If you think that I made this up, go th the above site and put "womansplace.net/cwws" in the wayback machine box.  Pick the latest dated page, then click the box under "Watching". You should be able to find it from there. You should check your fact before you call "buull****t" on others.    
   Also, I've been buying videos since the late 80's and just looking at any damn links page, as you  suggest, will get you a lot of really badly produced crap. But then again, apparently you (and the 8 people who showed up at HH's event ) wouldn't know the difference.

Hmm...Tomas you may be missing my point.  Most +48DD breasts in catfights aren't real either, but that doesn't mean Men don't enjoy watching them being squeezed and wrenched around in a catfight.  I'm not one of those people that expects to see 2 women fight and maim each other.  What I expect to see is a Cross between Crystal Video/Chaos/and older CA Wildcats where the wrestlers were involved in West styled tangled leg wrestling with breast twisting.  I expect to see crotch grabbing and I expect the women doing it to "sell" it to me.  When 2 women are actually fighting squeezing each others large massive ripe cantaloupe sized melons might not be "real" action...but I expect them to go at it like it's real and if you've ever seen any of Crystal's catfights from the Hellfire Club you would KNOW that this can be done.

The FvsF arena is littered with ex-producers who couldn't distinguish between making a real FvsF wrestling product and showing men what they wanted to see.  I expect to see FvsF matches where the women are squeezing and twisting each others breasts and grabbing and squeezing each other crotches constantly throughout the match.  The vendors that are supplying this kind of product are selling...the ones that aren't...?  Now don't get me wrong - I can't stand fake shiiit like Double-Trouble or posed crap like APL but there's a happy medium between great FvsF content and complete fake.  There are many examples of producers who've done the type of matches I like to see...I'd just like to see more.

CHHPPSOB SA

  Guys, I've got a little story for ya.  I started buying womens' wrestling/catfighting videos about 20 years ago. Over that time I've amassed close to 400 vids, of all styles,  from countless producers all over the world, and I saved (and hid) just about every one.
   Two years ago I bought a digital video recorder, and began the long, arduous process of converting them all to DVD.
    During the process I came to realize that many of the videos I purchased never went back into the VCR a second time, and weren't even worth converting.  Some were so bad I never bothered watching until the end.  Lets face- most WW/CF videos don't meet many of our expectations.
     Of course, many of these were bought before the days of the internet, when you plunked down your $50 and waited 3-4 weeks for delivery.
     Now, thanks to the internet/computers/cheapening technology, said producers, whom I consider to be fans with a passion for their work, have seemingly been pushed aside by the "talent".
     The problem here is you have girls who've been in barely half a dozen videos (and have never bought nor seen even one) now thinking they're producers.  And I find that to be sort of  arrogant/patronizing to guys like myself who take this stuff semi-seriously.

 BTW-What I look for in a video is A)good looking, fit ,athletic women. B)realistic (if not 100% real) wrestling action-no rolling around, giggling, ass slappind, etc., and C) some sort of a conclusive ending (no ties-I've got a 15 year beef with the folks at VSL over this).

 And no Pro-Style.  The guys on WWF practice that stuff for years, and it still looks FAKE.

 HIJKLMNOP 
 Paulzzy

I've had my eye on Amazons Production stuff since accidentally being linked to it . Until then I never heard of them and it looks to be exactly the style I like - except for the mixed. The French Wrestling series looks great , especially the second one with Xana vs Estelle. I saw the promo for this one but haven't ordered yet. Nice to see Nadege involved here as well.

If you get a minute how about a writing a review on a couple of your favorites from them ? [spoiler]

  She (Amy) also wrestled Xana of Amazon Productions on a video released through DWW.

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No **** .... thanks for the tip. Wonder how hard thet would be to find on DWW ? I never could get the hang of their website and I don't recall them having a wrestler/video list.

I really like both of them and bet that was a great match. Amy was involved in one of the best matches EVER when she wrestled Nadege to a long, drawn out draw for one of VSL's last productions.

Another one I just saw I had seen before , but I kind of remember than name - Ann Hurricane I saw a number of clips and they seem like they put out some good FF stuff. Anyone seen anything from them ?

Thanks ;

I already tried searching there under the wrestlers. I looked and found Xana's matches ( none with Amy ) so checked for AMY and she wasn't there. My next search was for a Xana vs Amy and it wouldn't do a serch for a name less than four letters ... would do a AmyO either, which is what she usually went by.

I'll try your search suggestion .... this wouldn't be the first time I've quit looking for something on DWW's site and instead went somewhere else - drives me nuts, LOL. You'd think it would have turned up under Xana's matches regardless .

Thanks for the help.



[spoiler]

  Do any of you guys have trouble downloading from the DWW website?
I stopped because most of my downloads from them either are abruptly cut off or half the screen is messed up. This does not happen with downloads from other companies.  Could they (or I) be using an outdated  WMP???
   Also, just wondering, does anyone else here still buy DVDs??

I haven't bought anything other Chick Fight stuff in a couple of years and they were all on DVD. I 'blame' this on Barb's site closing down and my not knowing the latest stuff out there.

But I recently found Ann Hurricane and Amazon Productions and both sites woke me up, especially with Xana. I'm going to get the French Wrestling II from Amazon for sure but not sure about downloading or a DVD. What makes me hesitate about doiwnloads is hearing some complain about the 'size' sometimes being a bad surprise , and I don't know what they're talking about.

As far as the size thing goes, what should I look for it to be and is it always posted ?

Anyone familiar with Ann Hurricane's stuff ? You guys will rag on me about this , but I just can't tell :

There is a clip # AH 06 ' Ann in NY ' that has her wrestling a blonde in a motel. Anyone know for sure that IS a female she's wrestling ? It's labeled 'female wrestling' but something about the blonde wig and voice ... anyone familar with it ? Something real sexy about a female paying for a wrestling session with another female that makes me want to see it ... if it's really two women.